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Albert Presgraves's avatar

The following is waay too long, but super interesting and supports all of Kathleen's story. From my brother-in-law. “We are living in a Post Truth, Post Fact World”. This has been firing around in my head for some time now. It is simply no longer possible to use objective reality as a baseline to communicate with large swaths of the population. I may not like it, but here we are so we have to learn to deal with it.

We have to be able to continue to operate our lives with people around us that if you say, today is Monday they can respond, “if you listen to the fake news”, or “what about Hunter Bidens laptop?”

There is no way around it- this is where we are.

So I have been thinking- how do you convince someone of something if truth or objective reality can not be employed?

This in many ways is the question of our times.

There are many consequences that can emerge from not being able to use facts to win an argument- but if you are trying to convince a surfing instructor to not harpoon his children because they were contaminated with alien lizard DNA, or persuade a man to not shoot up a Pizza Parlor because he thinks Hilary Clinton is running a child porn ring out of it- (I deliberately chose two actual events)

Then we need a new set of tools, or at least a roadmap.

But what a challenge- where do you even start?

Then I had this funny idea, that I was sure would be useless, I had downloaded the New AI AP Deep-Seek the other day- but not opened it. What a wild question to ask AI!

I wasn’t prepared for its very long and extremely helpful answer.

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Convincing someone when facts or truth have no influence on the argument can be challenging, as it often involves addressing deeply held beliefs, emotions, or values rather than relying on logical reasoning or evidence. Here are some strategies that might help in such situations:

### 1. **Understand Their Perspective**

- **Listen actively**: Show genuine interest in their viewpoint and try to understand why they hold their beliefs. This builds trust and makes them more open to dialogue.

- **Acknowledge their feelings**: Validate their emotions and concerns, even if you disagree with their conclusions. People are more likely to engage when they feel heard and respected.

### 2. **Appeal to Shared Values**

- Find common ground by identifying shared values or goals. For example, if you both care about community well-being, frame your argument in terms of how your position aligns with that value.

- Use stories or examples that resonate with their values to make your point more relatable.

### 3. **Use Emotional Appeals**

- Emotions often drive decisions more than facts. Use storytelling, metaphors, or vivid imagery to connect with their emotions.

- Highlight the personal impact or consequences of the issue to make it more relevant to their life.

### 4. **Build Trust and Credibility**

- People are more likely to be persuaded by someone they trust. Establish yourself as a credible and empathetic communicator.

- Avoid being confrontational or dismissive, as this can reinforce their resistance.

### 5. **Ask Questions to Encourage Critical Thinking**

- Instead of directly challenging their beliefs, ask open-ended questions that encourage them to reflect on their position. For example, "What do you think might happen if we approached this differently?"

- This can help them arrive at new insights on their own, which is often more effective than being told what to think.

### 6. **Leverage Social Proof**

- People are often influenced by what others believe or do. Highlight examples of others (especially those they respect) who share your perspective.

- Use testimonials, endorsements, or case studies to show that your position is widely accepted or successful.

### 7. **Be Patient and Persistent**

- Changing someone’s mind often takes time. Avoid pushing too hard, as this can lead to defensiveness.

- Plant seeds of doubt or curiosity, and allow them time to process and reconsider their stance.

### 8. **Frame the Argument in Their Terms**

- Use language and concepts that align with their worldview. For example, if they value tradition, frame your argument in terms of preserving or honoring tradition.

- Avoid jargon or terminology that might alienate them.

### 9. **Focus on Small, Incremental Changes**

- Instead of trying to change their entire belief system, aim for small shifts in perspective. Over time, these can lead to larger changes.

- Celebrate small agreements or moments of understanding to build momentum.

### 10. **Know When to Disengage**

- Recognize when someone is not open to dialogue and avoid escalating the situation. Sometimes, the best approach is to agree to disagree and revisit the conversation later.

Ultimately, persuasion in such contexts is less about "winning" the argument and more about fostering understanding, connection, and mutual respect.

The wild thing about this answer is that is eerily similar to the core message of Alexandra Pelosi in her film “The Insurectionist Next Door”.

Anyway- I honest think that these tips are at least an outline of the most effective approach to working with folks who are so locked into the dystopian fever dream that is MAGA, that they have totally lost their way.

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Mike Palmer's avatar

Many Trump supporters are also true believers, who will not change their minds regardless of the evidence. Since Leon Festinger's famous studies on cognitive dissonance, psychologists have studied our tendencies to cling to our identity beliefs at all costs. It is the rare person who says, "Oh, I see now. I was wrong." The best single work I know on this general subject is Margaret Heffernan's Willful Blindness: Why We Ignore the Obvious at our Peril. https://www.google.com/books/edition/Willful_Blindness/3rQiXitkUpMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=willful%20blindness&pg=PP1&printsec=frontcover

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